{"id":8841,"date":"2026-10-02T07:54:05","date_gmt":"2026-10-02T05:54:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mfinox.com\/?p=8841"},"modified":"2026-09-25T09:51:14","modified_gmt":"2026-09-25T07:51:14","slug":"alloy-800-800h-and-800ht-which-one-to-choose-for-high-temperatures","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mfinox.com\/en\/alloy-800-800h-and-800ht-which-one-to-choose-for-high-temperatures\/","title":{"rendered":"Alloy 800, 800H, and 800HT: Which One to Choose for High Temperatures"},"content":{"rendered":"&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Three designations that differ by a single letter, and a purchasing mistake that comes back to haunt you during operation. Alloy 800, 800H, and 800HT are often treated as commercial variants of the same material, and in a request for quotation, one might see \u201cAlloy 800\u201d specified for an application operating at 750 \u00b0C\u2014where, as specified, that material is not the correct choice. <\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The difference isn\u2019t a matter of marketing. It lies in three parameters that are controlled differently\u2014 <strong>carbon, grain size, aluminum, and titanium<\/strong> \u2014and pertains to a single property: <strong>creep<\/strong> resistance, that is, slow and permanent deformation under a constant load at high temperatures. Let\u2019s see what actually changes and how the material is specified in detail, including the standards for fasteners, where Alloy 800 holds a surprise.  <\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">One family, three specifications<\/h2>&#13;\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This refers to an <strong>iron-nickel-chromium<\/strong> alloy containing between 30 and 35% nickel, between 19 and 23% chromium, and no less than 39.5% iron. It is precisely this high iron content that makes it more economical than nickel alloys in the strict sense, while still maintaining resistance to oxidation and carburization at temperatures that austenitic stainless steels cannot withstand. <\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">&#13;\n<table>&#13;\n<thead>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<th>Name<\/th>&#13;\n<th>UNS<\/th>&#13;\n<th>Material<\/th>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<\/thead>&#13;\n<tbody>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>Alloy 800<\/td>&#13;\n<td>N08800<\/td>&#13;\n<td>1.4876<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>Alloy 800H<\/td>&#13;\n<td>N08810<\/td>&#13;\n<td>1.4958<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>Alloy 800HT<\/td>&#13;\n<td>N08811<\/td>&#13;\n<td>1.4959<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<\/tbody>&#13;\n<\/table>&#13;\n<figcaption class=\"wp-block-table__caption\">The basic composition is the same; it is the controlled parameters that change.<\/figcaption>&#13;\n<\/figure>&#13;\n&#13;\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What Really Changes<\/h2>&#13;\n&#13;\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">&#13;\n<table>&#13;\n<thead>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<th> <\/th>&#13;\n<th>Alloy 800<\/th>&#13;\n<th>Alloy 800H<\/th>&#13;\n<th>Alloy 800HT<\/th>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<\/thead>&#13;\n<tbody>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>Carbon (%)<\/td>&#13;\n<td>\u2264 0.10<\/td>&#13;\n<td>0.05 \u2013 0.10<\/td>&#13;\n<td>0.06 \u2013 0.10<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>Grain Size<\/td>&#13;\n<td>not expired<\/td>&#13;\n<td>ASTM 5 or coarser<\/td>&#13;\n<td>ASTM 5 or coarser<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>Aluminum (%)<\/td>&#13;\n<td>0.15 \u2013 0.60<\/td>&#13;\n<td>0.15 \u2013 0.60<\/td>&#13;\n<td>0.15 \u2013 0.60<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>Titanium (%)<\/td>&#13;\n<td>0.15 \u2013 0.60<\/td>&#13;\n<td>0.15 \u2013 0.60<\/td>&#13;\n<td>0.15 \u2013 0.60<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td><strong>Sum of Al + Ti (%)<\/strong><\/td>&#13;\n<td>not expired<\/td>&#13;\n<td>not expired<\/td>&#13;\n<td><strong>0.85 \u2013 1.20<\/strong><\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<\/tbody>&#13;\n<\/table>&#13;\n<figcaption class=\"wp-block-table__caption\">Typical specification values. Always verify these on the casting certificate. <\/figcaption>&#13;\n<\/figure>&#13;\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The three lines that matter, listed in order of importance:<\/p>&#13;\n\r\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">&#13;\n<li><strong>Carbon with a minimum, not just a maximum.<\/strong>  In Alloy 800, it is limited only at the upper end; in 800H and 800HT, it is also constrained at the lower end. The carbon in solution is what hinders dislocation movement at high temperatures: below a certain threshold, creep resistance decreases, and a \u201cclean\u201d cast\u2014which would be an advantage at room temperature\u2014becomes a defect at 800 \u00b0C. <\/li>&#13;\n\r\n\r\n&#13;\n<li><strong>Coarse wheat, as prescribed.<\/strong>  It seems counterintuitive, because at room temperature, fine grain size yields better properties. At high temperatures, the logic is reversed: the grain edges become the preferred path for viscous flow, so fewer edges mean less creep. This explains why solubilization occurs at higher temperatures and why ASTM Grade 5 or coarser grain is required.  <\/li>&#13;\n\r\n\r\n&#13;\n<li><strong>The combination of aluminum and titanium, available only on the 800HT.<\/strong>  This is what sets this variant apart. The restriction on the sum between 0.85 and 1.20% ensures the formation of fine, stable precipitates that reinforce the matrix and maintain creep resistance over time. That is what makes the 800HT the right choice for the most extreme temperatures.  <\/li>&#13;\n<\/ul>\r\n&#13;\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Temperature Thresholds<\/h2>&#13;\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The selection criteria, stripped down to the essentials.<\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">&#13;\n<table>&#13;\n<thead>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<th>Operating temperature<\/th>&#13;\n<th>Choice<\/th>&#13;\n<th>Why<\/th>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<\/thead>&#13;\n<tbody>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>Up to ~600 \u00b0C<\/td>&#13;\n<td>Alloy 800<\/td>&#13;\n<td>Creep is not the dominant mechanism: oxidation and mechanical strength are the key factors<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>~600\u2013700 \u00b0C<\/td>&#13;\n<td>Alloy 800H<\/td>&#13;\n<td>Controlled carbon and grain content provide superior creep resistance<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>Above ~700 \u00b0C<\/td>&#13;\n<td>Alloy 800HT<\/td>&#13;\n<td>Plus, they add stability and long-term resistance to slippage<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<\/tbody>&#13;\n<\/table>&#13;\n<figcaption class=\"wp-block-table__caption\">Approximate thresholds. The verification must be based on the permissible voltages specified in the applicable design code. <\/figcaption>&#13;\n<\/figure>&#13;\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Oxidation resistance extends to around 1,100 \u00b0C, but this figure should be interpreted with caution: in the vast majority of cases, the design limit is creep, not oxidation, and it lies well below that temperature. A material that is chemically \u201cresistant\u201d to 1000 \u00b0C may deform unacceptably under load long before reaching that temperature. <\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The opposite is also true, and in practice, this is the most common mistake: <strong>specifying 800HT at temperatures below 600 \u00b0C is often a waste of money.<\/strong> In that range, a stabilized austenitic grade such as AISI 321 or 347, or an <a href=\"https:\/\/mfinox.com\/en\/materials\/stainless-steel-werkstoff-1-4845-aisi-310s-uns-s31008-2\/\">AISI 310S<\/a>, may be sufficient and costs less.<\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The detail that makes shopping easier<\/h2>&#13;\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There is a practical implication worth knowing before placing an order. Since 800HT <em>also<\/em> meets the composition requirements for 800H and 800, a material certified as 800HT can be supplied with <strong>dual or triple certification<\/strong>: N08811 \/ N08810 \/ N08800 on the same certificate. <\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In practical terms, this means being able to fulfill multiple orders with a single inventory, reducing the number of SKUs in stock, and never finding that the material on the shelf is of a lower grade than what is required. It\u2019s worth explicitly requesting multiple certifications when placing an order: it\u2019s not automatic, but it\u2019s usually possible to obtain. <\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Alloy 800 is not Alloy 825<\/h2>&#13;\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is the most costly mix-up in this family, because the numbers are adjacent and the abbreviations look alike. These are materials with two different purposes. <\/p>&#13;\n\r\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">&#13;\n<li><strong>Alloy 800 is a high-temperature alloy.<\/strong>  It does not contain molybdenum, and its PREN is around 21: in a humid environment rich in chlorides, it is not resistant to pitting corrosion.<\/li>&#13;\n\r\n\r\n&#13;\n<li><strong>Alloy 825 is an alloy designed for corrosion resistance.<\/strong>  It contains about 3% molybdenum and copper, with a PREN of around 31, and performs well in reducing acids and chlorinated environments\u2014but it is not designed for creep at high temperatures.<\/li>&#13;\n<\/ul>\r\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Choosing 800 when 825 was required means exposing a material that cannot withstand corrosion to that very corrosion; choosing 825 when 800HT was required means placing a material in a furnace that is not qualified for viscous flow. The key is to first determine which of the two mechanisms is dominant\u2014temperature or corrosion\u2014and only then look at the designations. Our <a href=\"https:\/\/mfinox.com\/en\/the-culture-of-materials-a-guide-to-stainless-steels-duplexes-and-nickel-alloys\/\">guide to materials science remains a useful resource for navigating the different families of materials<\/a>.  <\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Standards for fasteners: Be sure to cite A193<\/h2>&#13;\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here is the section that sends multiple quote requests at once.  <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/mfinox.com\/en\/materials\/stainless-steel-astm-a193-b8ma-a320-b8ma-w-1-4435\/\" style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">ASTM A193<\/a> and A194 do not include grades for Alloy 800.<\/strong>  They cover carbon and alloy steels and the stainless steel series\u2014B7, B16, B8, B8M, B8T, B8R, B8S, and the corresponding nuts\u2014but not this family. An order requesting \u201cA193 tie rods in Alloy 800H\u201d cannot be fulfilled as written. <\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The correct references for nickel alloys are as follows:<\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">&#13;\n<table>&#13;\n<thead>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<th>Rule<\/th>&#13;\n<th>Scope<\/th>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<\/thead>&#13;\n<tbody>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>ASTM F468<\/td>&#13;\n<td>Screws, bolts, and tie rods made of non-ferrous alloys<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>ASTM F467<\/td>&#13;\n<td>Nuts Made of Non-Ferrous Alloys<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>ASTM B408<\/td>&#13;\n<td>Bars and wire rod<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>ASTM B564<\/td>&#13;\n<td>Forged<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<tr>&#13;\n<td>ASTM B409<\/td>&#13;\n<td>Sheets, strips, and plates<\/td>&#13;\n<\/tr>&#13;\n<\/tbody>&#13;\n<\/table>&#13;\n<\/figure>&#13;\n&#13;\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In practice, fasteners are specified by indicating the UNS grade, the product standard, and the geometry according to the applicable dimensional standard. For high-temperature applications in Europe, it is also useful to verify the requirements of <a href=\"https:\/\/mfinox.com\/en\/iso-3506\/\">the relevant standards for fastening systems<\/a> and the operating temperature specifications set forth in the design code. <\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">When there&#8217;s another option<\/h2>&#13;\n\r\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">&#13;\n<li><strong>High mechanical strength is required, not creep resistance:<\/strong> consider <a href=\"https:\/\/mfinox.com\/en\/materials\/high-temperature-steel-astm-a453-grade-660-a286-w-1-4980\/\">ASTM A453 Grade 660<\/a> or Inconel 718.<\/li>&#13;\n\r\n\r\n&#13;\n<li><strong>High temperatures, high loads, and small cross-sections:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/mfinox.com\/en\/materials\/nimonic-80a-nickel-alloy-uns-n07080-alloy-80a-werkstoff-2-4952\/\">Nimonic 80A<\/a> is the material of choice.<\/li>&#13;\n\r\n\r\n&#13;\n<li><strong>Steam and medium-to-high temperatures on alloy steel:<\/strong> consider <a href=\"https:\/\/mfinox.com\/en\/materials\/1-4913-x19crmonbvn11-1\/\">1.4913<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/mfinox.com\/en\/materials\/werkstoff-1-4986\/\">1.4986<\/a>, which are often more cost-effective.<\/li>&#13;\n\r\n\r\n&#13;\n<li><strong>Severe corrosion rather than temperature:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/mfinox.com\/en\/materials\/nickel-alloy-inconel-625-uns-n06625-alloy-625-werkstoff-2-4856\/\">Alloy 625<\/a> or Hastelloy C-276.<\/li>&#13;\n<\/ul>\r\n&#13;\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><\/ol><\/ol>\n<p><!-- \/wp:post-content --><\/p>\n<p><!-- wp:heading {\"level\":2} --><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">In summary<\/h2>\n<p><!-- \/wp:heading --><\/p>\n<p><!-- wp:paragraph --><\/p>\n<p>Alloys 800, 800H, and 800HT are not progressively higher grades of the same product; they are three distinct specifications designed for three different temperature ranges. A lower carbon limit and coarse grain structure define 800H; the restriction on the combined content of aluminum and titanium defines 800HT. Below 600 \u00b0C, the 800 grade is sufficient, and often a more economical austenitic steel is sufficient as well; above 700 \u00b0C, the 800HT is required.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- \/wp:paragraph --><\/p>\n<p><!-- wp:paragraph --><\/p>\n<p>Two things that should not be confused: 825 is not a better version of 800; it is an alloy designed for a different application; and A193 does not cover this family, so fasteners are specified using F468 and F467.<\/p>\n<p><!-- \/wp:paragraph --><\/p>\n<p><!-- wp:paragraph --><\/p>\n<p>If you are selecting fasteners for a high-temperature application and are unsure which grade to specify, our technical department can assist you: <a href=\"https:\/\/mfinox.com\/en\/contact\/\">please contact us<\/a> with details on the operating temperature, loads, thermal cycles, and environment.<\/p>\n<p><!-- \/wp:paragraph --><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Actual Differences Between Alloy 800, 800H, and 800HT: Carbon Content, Grain Size, Aluminum and Titanium Content, Temperature Thresholds, and Standards for Fasteners.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":8821,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8841","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-non-categorizzato"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.6 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Alloy 800, 800H, and 800HT: Which One to Choose for High Temperatures - M.F. 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